Comments on: What if Python DNA was Injected into Csound

By: Slipmat » Importing Modules and Reusing Code

Slipmat » Importing Modules and Reusing Code — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:34:26 +0000

[…] want to begin discussing the implications of yesterday’s Python-Csound mockup code (which I’ll refer to as slipmat for the time being), starting with with […]

By: Jacob Joaquin

Jacob Joaquin — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:19:07 +0000

@ak: SuperCollider will be a major topic of discussion here.

And I completely agree that it is still up to the programmer to produce clean code. I've read poor python code, as well as really clean perl code. Though some languages do have a tendency to be cleaner than others. Expressive and concise phrases, that too!

By: ak

ak — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:48:51 +0000

...or look at SuperCollider... (supercollider.sf.net). All these things are implemented already (scheduling, patterns, etc.). Slightly different syntax (more like C), naming conventions (eg. cpspch -> midicps) but also lots of familiar things for csound user.

"code should be human readable, and that syntax can help reinforce this"

yes, python enforces some coding patterns, but it's really up to programmer to produce clean code. Constraints could help, but from time to time some more expressive and concise phrases are also helpful :)

regards from SC camp!

By: Jacob Joaquin

Jacob Joaquin — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:59:56 +0000

@apalomba: I'd love to hear more about what you're doing. As of right now, the code you see is purely fantasy. So it does nothing. I have experimented with writing a language that translates into Csound, but the more I play with it, the more I think it would be better to rebuild a new language from nearly the ground up. Not that I'm qualified. :)

@Victor: Very nice read. I'll probably read it again tonight. Certainly some overlap. I think the big difference, besides pysndobj being real and this being fantasyland, is that my mockup wouldn't actually be python, but a new language that heavily steals from it, but makes fundamental changes in order to better suit audio and music.

By: Victor

Victor — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:03:23 +0000

There is already something like this, it’s pysndobj

http://www.kgw.tu-berlin.de/~lac2007/papers/lac07_lazzarini.pdf

it could have been developed further if 1)days had 36 to 48 hours 2) I wasn’t so lazy 3)there was no csound5

Victor

By: apalomba

apalomba — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:58:16 +0000

Hey Jacob, I really like your idea. It makes working with csound very much like supercollider or common music. In fact I have been working on something similar. It would be great to have the readability of a score but be able to spawn algorithmic processes as well. Maybe also integrate some computation math library.

Ultimately I assume the python script generates a .csd file that csound runs.